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No Gas In Rear Shock
on: October 15, 2018, 11:41:04 AM
Hi Guys Just got back from a weekend away in France on my CR 2016 and it looks like my rear Honda OEM shock has either lost its gas ( or oil) not sure what the damping is created by in this shock , However there is no oil staining or residue on the shock so Im assuming its gas . The bike has only done 16000 miles ish and I would say thats a bit early for a shock rebuild . The bike still rides ok but when the bike is on the side stand you can physically push it just with your fingers from side to side and the bike will dip by 2 or more inches on the spring . Anybody else had this problem ? Also does anybody know of a company in the south that could do a refurb or give me advice as to what the situation is . Thanks in advance for any help

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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #1 on: October 15, 2018, 11:59:00 AM
*Originally Posted by moley [+]
Hi Guys Just got back from a weekend away in France on my CR 2016 and it looks like my rear Honda OEM shock has either lost its gas ( or oil) not sure what the damping is created by in this shock , However there is no oil staining or residue on the shock so Im assuming its gas . The bike has only done 16000 miles ish and I would say thats a bit early for a shock rebuild . The bike still rides ok but when the bike is on the side stand you can physically push it just with your fingers from side to side and the bike will dip by 2 or more inches on the spring . Anybody else had this problem ? Also does anybody know of a company in the south that could do a refurb or give me advice as to what the situation is . Thanks in advance for any help

These are the guys I use, may be a bit far for you but they have Crossrunner experience and will be upgrading my CR suspension in the near future.
98 VFR800 - 130,000 miles (sold)
08 VFR800 - 76,000 miles (sold)
14 VFR1200 - 20,000 miles
15 VFR800X - 44,000 miles (sold)
18 VFR800X - 9,000 miles

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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
Thanks for that Skids. that is a bit of a trek to be fair but i will give them a shout and see what they say

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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #3 on: October 25, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Sent  my shock to a company in the Midlands and they have come back to me today to say that the standard CR shock that comes with the bike is not a serviceable item as there is no re-gas inlet port  and there is an oil filled bladder device which is locked inside the cylinder and not removable ............ He has basically said that he will let me just come and collect my shock with no charges .
He has said that they do a shock without preload ( I dont carry passengers) which is rated to your own weight and guaranteed for 5 yrs which is normally around 350 quid but at the moment they are offering them for 310 quid for a short time .  This looks like a good deal to me compared with some of the shocks being sold on line .... What do you think ???

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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #4 on: October 25, 2018, 04:01:04 PM
Seems odd that there would be no preload adjustment, even the stock item comes with this.
£310 is a very reasonable price for a decent rebuildable shock, but it seems pretty basic.  Which company is supplying it?
For comparison the base level Nitron shock would be £438 inc VAT, but this is pretty sophisticated race-bred item with a single adjustment for both rebound and compression and the ability to adjust preload and length.
http://www.nitron.co.uk/catalogue_item.php?catID=13576&prodID=87766
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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #5 on: October 25, 2018, 08:25:43 PM
*Originally Posted by Si Click [+]
For comparison the base level Nitron shock would be £438 inc VAT, but this is pretty sophisticated race-bred item with a single adjustment for both rebound and compression and the ability to adjust preload and length.
http://www.nitron.co.uk/catalogue_item.php?catID=13576&prodID=87766
+1 for Nitron shocks. I've had one for a long time (maybe 10 years now) on my other bike - it's never let me down, is a huge improvement over the OEM unit, and copes with anything from solo riding to fully loaded with pillion with just a twist of the damping adjuster. Interestingly Nitron don't list the 2015+ CrossRunner on their site, but they have made at least one.. I have one in a box right here!

I'd be rather sceptical about a 300 quid shock without a preload adjuster, but ya never know... Preload adjustment is the most basic level of adjustment I'd expect any shock to have. If it doesn't have that, then I'd be astonished if it offered any damping adjustment.

I use a suspension specialist called PDQ based in Taplow, so not so far from Harrow.. highly recommended! They've had my Crossrunner on the bench for front-end work and the diagnosis you've had regarding a shock rebuild was exactly what they reported to me, so you're definitely looking at a replacement. Again, +1 for Nitron, and having one built to your specification (ie weight and riding style) is one of the most positive transformations for a bike that you can buy.
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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #6 on: October 25, 2018, 08:45:19 PM
I agree with everything you guys are saying and in another time I would go with the Nitron but the fact is  I am only probably going to be riding for a couple more years  and the shock Im looking at comes with a 5 year guarantee. Im not to bothered about preload as I never carry a passenger and the shock is built bespoke for my weight and they will set up the full suspension at there depot specifically for me . I dont see the need to spend any more hundreds as Im not a particularly fast rider anymore  and its only going to be MY backside thats on the bike . There is a shock on the Wemoto site for my bike with what looks like a massive amount of preload adjustment and length changing properties  but it just looks cheap  and in fact actually is at £290. I have to say , I didnt expect to be having to change the shock at 16000 miles when I bought my CR ....not very good if you ask me

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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #7 on: October 25, 2018, 09:13:11 PM
*Originally Posted by moley [+]
I agree with everything you guys are saying and in another time I would go with the Nitron but the fact is  I am only probably going to be riding for a couple more years  and the shock Im looking at comes with a 5 year guarantee. Im not to bothered about preload as I never carry a passenger and the shock is built bespoke for my weight and they will set up the full suspension at there depot specifically for me . I dont see the need to spend any more hundreds as Im not a particularly fast rider anymore  and its only going to be MY backside thats on the bike . There is a shock on the Wemoto site for my bike with what looks like a massive amount of preload adjustment and length changing properties  but it just looks cheap  and in fact actually is at £290. I have to say , I didnt expect to be having to change the shock at 16000 miles when I bought my CR ....not very good if you ask me
Fair play.. whatever works for you! :028:

A lifespan of only 16k miles is a very poor show... way too soon for a shock to go like that, agreed.
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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #8 on: October 25, 2018, 09:44:42 PM
My 2015 Crosrunner did the same, after the dealer had placed lowering plates at the rear.
A little bit of wind could be enough to tilt the bike when on the sidestand.
I went to HYPERPRO (www.hyperonline.nl) to overhaul the suspension.
They re-placed the original plates at the rear and mounted shorter springs , and progressive shorter springs at the front.
Refilled oil in the pre-tension system (Knob) at the rear.
I had the overhaul done one year ago... best investment you can have, even better than new tires.
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Re: No Gas In Rear Shock
Reply #9 on: October 25, 2018, 09:48:13 PM
My bike has been lowered by 30mm at the back and the front forks have been lowered in the yokes  to match . Do you think this is why the shock has failed??? . The oem shock isnt adjustable lengthwise and because mine has failed at such a low mileage I was thinking the same thing but I cant understand why it should do that to the shock.

 


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